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goon

As dreamy as a Cesc, Ozil, Ramsey core is it wouldn't work, they'd just get in each others way. Need someone next to Aaron who'll free up Aaron, the wingers and even the full backs. It's a massive task that requires someone top quality.

evoh

otfgoon wrote:
As dreamy as a Cesc, Ozil, Ramsey core is it wouldn't work, they'd just get in each others way. Need someone next to Aaron who'll free up Aaron, the wingers and even the full backs. It's a massive task that requires someone top quality.

I don't see these 3 players as stupid, they won't get in the way of each other but likely rotate roles. We currently have an AMC (Arteta) as out lead DM, I'd rather have Ramsey, who can win the ball with Cesc and Ozil.

We are never going to be a solid team defensively and the Suarez Sturridge axis has shown what a good attack does. If we had the chance to re-sign a quality player like Cesc we should bite their arm off.

Irishgunner

Shortlist:

ST: Benzema, Costa, Balotelli, Lukaku, Lacazette, Drmic

Wide forward: Reus, Pedro, Sanchez, Draxler, Lacazette, Drmic

CM: Fabregas, Bender, Kroos, Gustavo, Schneiderlin, Wanyama, Carvalho

RB: Coleman, Chambers, De Sciglio, Piszczek, Aurier

One from each category please.

goon

I know what you mean, I said so myself earlier in the thread, but I'm just not convinced it would work.

What makes Ramsey great is when he makes those runs forward, would he be able to if Cesc is already up the pitch? Ozil is also in the side to do what Cesc used to, they're duplicating roles. The theory that Cesc could be a good deep lying playmaker (as I myself suggested), is just that, a theory. One without much

Liverpool have a great attack but it's based on the front 3 or 4, not the central midfield pairing. Imagine if Gerrard and Henderon both had the instinct to attack, would Sterling, Sturrdige, Suarez and Coutinho have the same freedom to attack?

evoh

I don't think we play with a proper DM and I don't think Wenger wants to either. That midfield (Ramsey + Cesc) would operate as a SacchiCM partnership, both decent in all areas. Ramsey is better off the ball and as an athlete, while cesc is a better play with the ball. Both could do a job and with the sort of DM being talked about I'd rather take chance on a dynamic CM then one with rigid roles.

Also we don't have the front three that Liverpool have, so we need to make up for it elsewhere.

goon

I don't want a proper DM either to be fair. Just someone with defensive prioroties and instincts rather than attacking.

And for all the praise Liverpool get, I reckon you'll find them struggling in the CL next season. We need to aim higher.

Captain

Cesc played with all types of players while he was here and it always resulted in a soft centre.

We need to sure it up, not go in the other direction.

Clrnc

Definitely.

I know they are not stupid players, but doesn't mean intelligent players won't in the way of each other's natural game. See how we always struggle with Wilshere Santi and Ozil getting too narrow, resulting in all 3 being ineffective. You need different type of players to balance the team.

Key question is, is Cesc better than Ozil? For me its 50-50

evoh

Cesc scores goal and sets them up. At the moment ozil has only demonstrated he ability to assist goals. On current ability I'd prefer Cesc here in the same position.

Qwiss

Ozil isn't a greasy, sneaky primadonna so I'd rather have him in my team.

evoh

Captain wrote:
Cesc played with all types of players while he was here and it always resulted in a soft centre.

We need to sure it up, not go in the other direction.

Largely that was post 2008 when we foregone having anyone able to press near him. Cesc Flamini partnership was fantastic and Ramsey is just as good as Flamini in that aspect.

goon

evoh wrote:
Cesc scores goal and sets them up. At the moment ozil has only demonstrated he ability to assist goals. On current ability I'd prefer Cesc here in the same position.

Their goal scoring records are hardly worlds apart. Cesc's record in his time here was beefed up by the fact that he took penalties too. At least Ozil has the decency to miss them so as not to distort his figures.

evoh

Fabregas didn't take that many pens for us.

QuincyAbeyie

Also it makes no sense saying it beefs up his record considering Özil has taken two already.

Kel Varnsen

Cesc is imo a better player than Özil, but I think Özil could have a great career here if we surround him with a bit more quality.

MistaT

Struggling to see a Cesc - Ramsey partnership providing the cover that players like Mertesacker need ahead of them.

Rex

You'd play Özil wide left and Cesc at 10 if you play them both of course. If you rest one of them, which you then could do of course without losing quality, you'd play the other one at 10. This isn't rocket science people. You'd possibly play Ramsey and Cesc both at CM with Özil ahead against 'lesser' teams at home, but that is it. For all his faults, Wenger isn't stupid.

We need more quality players! If we could have a motivated Cesc back, which he would be if he was booted out of Barcelona, then we would be a lot better off for it.

Gunner89

otfgoon wrote:
evoh wrote:
Cesc scores goal and sets them up. At the moment ozil has only demonstrated he ability to assist goals. On current ability I'd prefer Cesc here in the same position.

Their goal scoring records are hardly worlds apart. Cesc's record in his time here was beefed up by the fact that he took penalties too. At least Ozil has the decency to miss them so as not to distort his figures.

Cesc has scored 99 career league goals. Ozil has 51. It's nearly double with Cesc only being a year older. He probably took about 4-5 penalties. It's not beefing his tally up by any significant margin.

Rex

They both have vision out of this world, and both of them have perfect execution. Cesc is a better goal scorer, but Özil is better on the ball and has a burst of pace which means he actually beats players.

lorddulaarsenal

Yep both top players but ozil is more exciting to watch

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