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Clrnc

flobaba wrote:
Zidane is definitely not "the most overrated footballer of all time".

That's a dumb statement to make, and even you, ridiculous as most of your assertions are, should know better.

Lukazan

There was some discussion on here, or probably A-M, that for all his great ability with a ball and silky skill, Zidane was pretty ineffectual and didn't influence games enough. I think I recall a top manager saying something similar, perhaps Ferguson?

It's not something I'd say I particularly agree with, though I personally rated Rivaldo higher, but no matter what you think, calling him the most overrated player of all time is hyperbolic nonsense.

Timbob

Volante wrote:
Pele was better than Maradona.

And how man live games did you see either of them play?

Volante

None.

Timbob

So you weren't around even for the '94 World Cup?

Rex

Diapers innit?

Gurgen

flobaba wrote:
Zidane is definitely not "the most overrated footballer of all time".

That's a dumb statement to make, and even you, ridiculous as most of your assertions are, should know better.

I think the Zidane and Bergkamp compilations are very interesting to compare. While Bergkamp's skills always had a point, the Zidane video is filled with random sillyness on the halfway line.

Zidane was ultimately a very selfish player. For example, he never provided an assist for Henry until the 2006 WC. Fantastic footballer nonetheless, but not better than Bergkamp in a million years. The reason people think he is, is that he scored in a WC and CL final.

Klaus

Pretty much. He was technically perfect but plenty of players were. The likes of Dennis, Laudrup and Baggio were better players in my opinion, not to mention Henry who belonged to the same generation.

JazzG

In many big games Zidane showed up and put in big performances, a lot of his reputation is built on that. But if you compare him to say Messi/C.Ronaldo those guys near enough score or assist in every game they played and Zidane never got close to that kind of consistency.

Volante

Klaus wrote:
Pretty much. He was technically perfect but plenty of players were. The likes of Dennis, Laudrup and Baggio were better players in my opinion, not to mention Henry who belonged to the same generation.

Baggio could have been Pele/Cruijff/Maradona level. Great player obviously. but isn't the general feeling is he didn't get the most out of his ability?

Volante

Timothy wrote:
So you weren't around even for the '94 World Cup?

Nope but I've seen quite a few matches. Romario was unplayable but Baresi had him in pocket.

flobaba

Gurgen wrote:
flobaba wrote:
Zidane is definitely not "the most overrated footballer of all time".

That's a dumb statement to make, and even you, ridiculous as most of your assertions are, should know better.

I think the Zidane and Bergkamp compilations are very interesting to compare. While Bergkamp's skills always had a point, the Zidane video is filled with random sillyness on the halfway line.

Zidane was ultimately a very selfish player. For example, he never provided an assist for Henry until the 2006 WC. Fantastic footballer nonetheless, but not better than Bergkamp in a million years. The reason people think he is, is that he scored in a WC and CL final.

That he didn't provide Henry specifically with loads of assists doesn't make him a "selfish player"? He does have one of the best, if not the best assist to game ratio in Europe.

Zidane is noted for his absolutely masterful technique and control of the ball. He had unmatchable grace, elegance and balance in possession and was so influential in many big games because he had the rare ability to totally control and dictate the pace of the game in the midfield and attack. A classic play maker.

Apart from Maradona, he is the only player that I would credit with basically single handedly winning a World Cup for his country.

Top, top player.

Won't get into the comparisons with Bergkamp as I don't see the point. Both players had different positions and roles in their teams. Zidane was a master of his, same with Bergkamp.

spacemanspiff

flobaba wrote:
Apart from Maradona, he is the only player that I would credit with basically single handedly winning a World Cup for his country.

Love me some Zizou, but this shit isn't true.

Bold Tone

JazzG wrote:
In many big games Zidane showed up and put in big performances, a lot of his reputation is built on that. But if you compare him to say Messi/C.Ronaldo those guys near enough score or assist in every game they played and Zidane never got close to that kind of consistency.

True, but Zidane, like Maradona and Laudrup, raised the level of everyone's game around him.
This is why he garnered high praise from many respected football people and Pele.

Quotes: about Zinedine Zidane

Zidane is the master. Over the past 10 years, there's been no-one like him, he has been the best player in the world.
Pelé, 2006

He dominates the ball, he is a walking spectacle and he plays as if he had silk gloves on each foot. He reminds me a bit of myself, although I was a bit quicker. He makes it worthwhile going to the stadium -- he's one of the best I have ever seen.
Alfredo Di Stefano

Zidane is one of the greatest players in history, a truly magnificent player.
Franz Beckenbauer, 2006

Zidane is unique. The ball flows with him. He is more like a dancer than a football player.
Franz Beckenbauer, 2003

Technically, I think he is the king of what's fundamental in the game - control and passing. I don't think anyone can match him when it comes to controlling or receiving the ball.
Michel Platini, 2006

He is the best player I've seen... Playing alongside him was a crazy thing! Supporters arrived earlier at the Bernabeu just to see him warm-up.
Roberto Carlos, 2010

I would give up five players to have Zidane in my squad.
Cesare Maldini, 1998

You look at Zidane and think 'I've never seen a player quite like that'. Diego Maradona was a great player. Johan Cruyff was a great player. They were different - but with similarities. What sets Zidane apart is the way he manipulates a football, buying himself space that isn't there. Add his vision and it makes him very special.
Kevin Keegan, 2000

In France, everybody realized that God exists, and that he is back in the French international team. God is back, there is little left to say.
Thierry Henry, 2005

He thinks in one second and does it the next. He is a special player, one who is original and exceptional. He creates space where there is none. Only the very best players can do that. No matter where he gets the ball or how it comes to him, Zidane can get out of trouble. His imagination and his technique are amazing.
Edgar Davids, 2000

I really enjoy watching Zinedine Zidane. His elegance of movement on the pitch and his skills are uncanny. Apart from being an impressive player, he is also very humble and very likeable as a person. A great man.
Rivaldo, former Brazilian footballer.

Zidane is probably the best player there has been in the past 20 years ... France have recovered the best Zidane and they have progressively grown throughout this tournament.
Marcello Lippi, manager of the World Cup-winning Italian team, 3 July 2006

The greatest player of the past 20 years? It has to be Zidane. He had everything. You never needed to tell him anything as he did it all by himself and knew what was expected.
Marcello Lippi, September 2011

Zidane has won that award because of what he has done on the pitch - he was the best ... I have always admired Zidane ... In fact I have one of his shirts in my closet - we exchanged our shirts after a Juventus v Perugia game.
Marco Materazzi, Italian footballer.

Bold Tone

Heaven

flobaba

Fabregas' abilities seem to have regressed since he left us.

Volante

He's been pretty fucking good at Barca to be fair. He's just useless when he has to cover for Messi at #9.

Rex

He has been excellent for Barcelona, all things considered. Personally, I think he is a better footballer today than when he left.

I am Arsenal Till I Die

flobaba wrote:
Apart from Maradona, he is the only player that I would credit with basically single handedly winning a World Cup for his country.

Zidane did fuck all except for the Final.

Bergkamp and of course Ronaldo and Rivaldo had much better tournaments than him. They needed their RB to produce 2 goals in the semi-final against Croatia. Needed extra time to get past Paraguay and penalties to beat Italy. I remember that World Cup very vividly because it was my first football World Cup that i had watched from start to finish.

And I remember saying to myself even then that, although Zidane was aesthetically very pleasing he wasn't as effective as a lot of top players who played in that tournament.

P.S. - He also got a red iirc, and hence didn't play 2-3 games. So him single handedly winning France anything is a myth.

I am Arsenal Till I Die

Same for the 2006 World Cup where they reached the final. He had a great game against Brazil and that was about it. France reached wherever they did because of Vieira and Henry IMO. And eventually lost it due to the dumbfuck manager they had.

Zidane took all the headlines for the 2006 World Cup, but Pirlo was so much better than him in the tournament it's not even funny.

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