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Youth team development

Burnwinter

Ricky1985 wrote:
I think he's always been a little bitter that he didn't get offered an important role of some sort when he retired. Had delusions of grandeur to an extent. But his struggles in coaching and management since have humbled him a little and it looks like he's put all that crap behind him.

I hope this is true Ricky. He's not a stupid man, and he was a wonderful player and leader in so many respects. He did really seem like he'd lost the plot after he based himself in Azerbaijan.

When it comes to set pieces Adams would know it all—whether defending them or setting them up.

Ricky1985

I did think he was too far gone to end up back at Arsenal. As you say, the whole Azerbaijan thing was just strange. Very pleased to have him back at the club though.

Ricky1985

http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/20160629/first-year-scholars-pics

Arsenal welcomes new first-year scholars

Reiss Nelson, Emile Smith-Rowe, Trae Coyle, João Virgínia....big talents in this crop.

Ricky1985

Crowley to join Oxford United on loan
Dan Crowley will join League One side Oxford United on loan for the 2016/17 season.
The 18-year-old midfielder gained experience in the division last term with Barnsley, where he made 13 appearances during a three-month loan spell.
A regular with Arsenal’s under-21 side over the past two seasons, he has also represented the club in Europe in the UEFA Youth League, and captained the Gunners’ FA Youth Cup side.
Last year, Dan went on the pre-season tour to Singapore with the first team and appeared in the win over Singapore Select XI.
Everyone at Arsenal wishes Dan the best of luck as he looks to gain further first-team experience.

Good move for the kid. Hopefully he gets a full season under his belt. Interested to see what he does, in theory he has the talent to light the league up.

Klaus

Shouldn't we be aiming a little higher than a newly promoted League One club if the kid is really that talented?

Ricky1985

He needs to play though. That's the important thing. And, talented or not, the kid has a ton to learn about making that talent count for something on the pitch.

Clrnc

He has made mistakes with his loan in league 1 last season, it's a good chance to put things right.

Rex

Think Klaus' reservation is valid. An 18 year old from the academy playing for a newly promoted League One side? Doesn't sound very impressive at all. If I remember the comments of his manager for his previous loan club correctly, then he is a show pony rather than a footballer so far.

Klaus

I'm just sceptic towards these type of loan deals I guess. We always say that the most important ting is playing time, but I honestly can't remember a player who has benefited more from loan moves than staying put at the club, working with our setup, and then jump at the first team opportunities when they appear. Szczesny maybe...? Although he was arguably breaking through anyway, and things are a bit different for keepers. We sent Crowley out last year and it didn't help him; instead he got a manager who was telling him to stop showing off just because he's technically superior. You should nurture those traits in special players, but it's a bit much to expect Barnsley to do it for us.

Iwobi didn't need a loan move in order to get first team opportunities last season. I'd wager that two league cup games in an Arsenal shirt would similarly do more for Crowley's development than an entire season at Oxford.

goon

I agree, not going out on loan didn't seem to do Iwobi any harm either. I think Wilshere benefited massively from his loan, so did Song. Difference is though they were both 6 month loan deals to Premier League teams rather than multiple season long loan deals to League One sides.

I think Crowley, if he is to make it, would benefit from impressing in the reserves and cup games enough to attract a Premier League team, rather than go for a season to Oxford United. He'll need to do really well there to make any sort of impression.

Ricky1985

Crowley doesn't bother trying for the reserves though. Has played like crap since he returned from his loan. Iwobi is a really good kid, with a great attitude and a maturity on and off the pitch that has seen him take to first team football like a duck to water. Everything I've seen of Crowley suggests he still has a lot to learn.

Savz

Crowley has an absolutely superb 180 degree spin.

Savz

Isaac Hayden is now on the first team squad on Arsenal.com

Jeff R-Adelaide has been given the number 20 shirt.

speedy

Savz wrote:
Crowley has an absolutely superb 180 degree spin.

Do you think if he made it a 220 or 140 degree spin he'd be harder to tackle?

Savz

No. But his 360 degree spin on the ball are half as good as his 180 degree spins.

Arshavin did those spins superbly.

Done like a turnip.

Savz

speedy

Ricky1985 wrote:
I did think he was too far gone to end up back at Arsenal. As you say, the whole Azerbaijan thing was just strange. Very pleased to have him back at the club though.

I presumed he went to a Muslim country to dry out.

Bold Tone

Savz wrote:

jones

speedy wrote:
Ricky1985 wrote:
I did think he was too far gone to end up back at Arsenal. As you say, the whole Azerbaijan thing was just strange. Very pleased to have him back at the club though.

I presumed he went to a Muslim country to dry out.

Poor choice for a Muslim country then, alcohol is widely available in Azerbaijan.

speedy

jones wrote:
speedy wrote:
I presumed he went to a Muslim country to dry out.

Poor choice for a Muslim country then, alcohol is widely available in Azerbaijan.

Probably is but you can get alcohol anywhere, i still reckon he went to get away/ find himself / dry out.

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