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Youth team development

goon

Regardless of which approach is better for the club, I'm simply talking about which approach is more attractive to young players.

evoh

Get paid like a chelsea player and play loads of games at your current club or better european club, yeah that's not attractive to anyone.

goon

Or get paid loads at a club in the CL with a long list of young players who have played regular football and gone on to establish themselves as stars at said club. Yeah no young player would find that more attractive than being shipped out on loan before eventually getting a chance as 4th choice in respective position.

Mirth

I'm sure that we have more of our youth products establishing themselves in the Premier League than Chelsea. In fact, I suspect only United have more. We're not failing the kids at any rate.

evoh

otfgoon wrote:
Or get paid loads at a club in the CL with a long list of young players who have played regular football and gone on to establish themselves as stars at said club. Yeah no young player would find that more attractive than being shipped out on loan before eventually getting a chance as 4th choice in respective position.

Courotis, Lukaku and De Bruyne will start regularly for Chelsea. Also added bonus of being involved in CL and league matches that actually mean something might be of value to these young players. Arsenal are just a stepping stone to bigger things while Chelsea can retain anyone they develop as they have ambition and wages to match.

Rex

Only the sugar daddy clubs can afford to ship their £20m signings out on loans to learn their trade, and even among sugar daddy clubs that is very rare.

I honestly also fail to see the point of this discussion. We undoubtedly bring through young players who are of use in our first team, and on top of that our whole youth set up costs nothing. In fact, the club makes serious money off it.

Bold Tone

Was it our particular training methods that made "said youth players"?
In other words, would they have failed if they were developed at Santos, Boca, Juve, Dortmund, Ajax, Bilbao, manu, Marseilles, Metalist, Urawa Red Devil, Melbourne, Papa New Ginny (sp), Mars, Venus, etc, etc?

Captain

You can ask that question of any player though. It's quite ridiculous really.

Bold Tone

it was meant to be!

lorddulaarsenal

Anyone know much about Maitland-Niles?

mentalvortex

We are taking part in the newly formed UEFA youth champions league. The nextgen tournament was suspended this season due to lack of funds.
We have been grouped together with Marseille, Borussia Dortmund and Napoli just like our senior squad.
Our opening match is against Marseille in France next Wednesday.

Timbob

mentalvortex wrote:
We have been grouped together with Marseille, Borussia Dortmund and Napoli just like our senior squad.

That's a bit suspicious.

mentalvortex

The tournament is set up in that way. All the groups are exactly the same as the senior version.

Bold Tone

Maybe it's deliberate as it could be a money saving measure, logistically, if they played a day before the senior squad?
Edit: see above. MV knows his stuff!

mentalvortex

Our youngsters won their opening UEFA Youth CL match at Marseille by 4-1. Gnabry the star of the show with a brace.

est

The match report on Arsenal.com claims Gnabry played as a striker. Interesting.

Clrnc

We didn't have any strikers for the u19 side, so had to sacrifice Gnabry from the senior side.

Bold Tone

Is first team football, on loan, better than youth and reserve team football for the likes of Chambs, Ryo and Gnabry or is it too risky at this stage of their development?

Irishgunner

Personally I'd send them all to the championship (or prem, if wanted) once they turn 18.

Not Chambo, but Ryo, Gnabry, Akmpom, etc.

Bold Tone

I think Chambo would gain the most as he would get games anywhere else and he is physically well built.
Gnabry, the same but i think we should protect Akpom who is still too young. Hindsight is 20:20 and i feel we messed up by bringing Ryo back too quickly.

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