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Mirth

It's a bit annoying because if he was second choice to a genuine world class striker, most of us would be delighted with the options we have. If Wenger doesn't sign a striker this summer, he never will

Klaus

Mirth wrote:
It's a bit annoying because if he was second choice to a genuine world class striker, most of us would be delighted with the options we have. If Wenger doesn't sign a striker this summer, he never will

Yeah, I think that's pretty much it. Giroud's a bit like Wiltord to me. Class player with some very obvious weaknesses that will always keep him from being great, but in the presence of more gifted teammates he could turn into a title decider.

innervisionscm

Yeah, I totally agree. He's done so much with relatively little natural talent, and I respect him tremendously for that. He has several good qualities but he can't carry the load for an entire season.

Rex

Main problem IMO is about ability versus expectations. There are quite high expectations on a starting striker for the Arsenal, from everyone really. Giroud's ability just about gets him to meet those expectations when he is at the peak of his game the way I see it. As soon as he drops, even a little, a lot of people feel he isn't good enough. Giroud seems like a smart enough bloke, and I'm pretty sure he is pretty clued up with the general perception of him. No one is in his best form all the time, and I would think that the doubts affect Giroud more than most, thus leading to even worse performances.

Qwiss

Whatever the reasons we know what Giroud is capable of its clearly not enough to be starting striker. As Mirth said he'd be a great second choice. He's almost always at his best after a break and is a real threat when he comes off the bench too. He's an ideal back up striker.

Rex

Problem is, I don't get the impression that Giroud is a guy happy to play second fiddle. He spoke about how he found it difficult that period when Wenger chose Walcott over him. It's one thing going into a season knowing there is fair competition for a spot, but if we by some miracle manage to sign a class striker who is clearly going to be our number one, then that's something else. Giroud seems fragile enough mentally, and it is difficult to gauge whether a) he would be any good as the clear number two/back up guy, or b) whether that is a role he is willing to sign up for.

Mirth

Speaking of Giroud scoring good goals:

Stunning.

Bold Tone

Rex wrote:
Problem is, I don't get the impression that Giroud is a guy happy to play second fiddle. He spoke about how he found it difficult that period when Wenger chose Walcott over him. It's one thing going into a season knowing there is fair competition for a spot, but if we by some miracle manage to sign a class striker who is clearly going to be our number one, then that's something else. Giroud seems fragile enough mentally, and it is difficult to gauge whether a) he would be any good as the clear number two/back up guy, or b) whether that is a role he is willing to sign up for.

It's a tough one as you want all your players to feel like they've got a chance.
On top of that you want your striker to play with confidence so you do everything to make him feel 10 foot tall.
Telling him he is second fiddle goes completely against this philosophy and may have been the cause of the empty shell Chamakh became with us.
As for that gif, i must say the most stunning part is the quality of the defending.

Rex

That clip doesn't show what Pogba is doing really, and that was the truly stunning part of the goal IMO.

MistaT

Ask and you shall receive - higher quality:

banduan

that cross is nuts.

Cannon

Been watching a lot of season end compilations. Julian draxler always seems to impress me the most. Some of the skills he displays are so good to watch! If you can get past the shitty music, the above compilation is good!

MistaT

Around this time last year - one of the few good points from last season.

Looks familiar with Ox terrorizing (in pre season) and us unsure of our CF options.

est

Wow.

Ricky1985

He's the best attacker I've seen play for Arsenal since Henry, Bergkamp and Pires. He's a level above Fabregas and van Persie, even at their best, for me.

And I've never seen another player that plays the right pass and does the right thing so consistently.

I just wish him 15 goals next season because he deserves the recognition and acclaim. Absolute superstar. If only we had a better forward line he'd be hero worshipped without the need to score a boatload of goals.

QuincyAbeyie

I think van Persie had a period where he was the third best player in the world. Fabregas at the beginning of the 07/08 season was also wonderful to watch. Not sure if I can rate Özil above them, but he's certainly up there.

dreamlord

Ricky1985 wrote:
He's the best attacker I've seen play for Arsenal since Henry, Bergkamp and Pires. He's a level above Fabregas and van Persie, even at their best, for me.

An attacker who doesn't score goals? Wot. He's the best creative player in the list, but I wouldn't put him above Fabregas and RvP as an attacker, both of whom were able to combine creating and scoring.

flobaba

He gets super smoove points though

Rex

Persie's one good season tops last season from Özil. I say that being a huge fan of Ozil's.

Klaus

Ricky1985 wrote:
He's the best attacker I've seen play for Arsenal since Henry, Bergkamp and Pires. He's a level above Fabregas and van Persie, even at their best, for me.

Same, and I don't even think it's particularly close between him and those two. Maybe it's not a kosher view around Arsenal fans but I think he's a cut above both Bergkamp and Pires too. Henry is the only player I've seen at this club who has performed at a higher level than a peak Özil.

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